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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9764</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quotes are certainly cut and pasted.  Why should I type them over?  The rest is mine.  I have a bunch more info from an unpublished law review article that I wrote 4 years ago, but I didn&#039;t think anyone would be interested in the jurisprudence of gun rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quotes are certainly cut and pasted.  Why should I type them over?  The rest is mine.  I have a bunch more info from an unpublished law review article that I wrote 4 years ago, but I didn&#8217;t think anyone would be interested in the jurisprudence of gun rights.</p>
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		<title>By: GamerDad</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9756</link>
		<dc:creator>GamerDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If not obvious... then ;-)

And yeah, I&#039;d take Luigi as my running mate.  GamerDad &#039;08!  Wait, what&#039;s this about my having to post my health records?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not obvious&#8230; then <img src='http://www.gamesanityblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And yeah, I&#8217;d take Luigi as my running mate.  GamerDad &#8217;08!  Wait, what&#8217;s this about my having to post my health records?</p>
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		<title>By: GamerDad</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9755</link>
		<dc:creator>GamerDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be honest man.  You&#039;re just cutting and pasting all of this information from an article at GunnerDad.com, aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be honest man.  You&#8217;re just cutting and pasting all of this information from an article at GunnerDad.com, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9754</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also point out that during that period, crime is lower at the end, then in 1970, but peaked in the mid 1980&#039;s and mid 1990&#039;s (all time high).  I should have provided a chart.

There have been several large studies on this issue by non-partisan groups that I can dig up if anyone is interested.  One was done by the National Academy of Sciences and was based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study.  It concluded that &quot;no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns,&quot; could be found.  I should note that this panel was mostly made up of people on record as to supporting gun control measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also point out that during that period, crime is lower at the end, then in 1970, but peaked in the mid 1980&#8242;s and mid 1990&#8242;s (all time high).  I should have provided a chart.</p>
<p>There have been several large studies on this issue by non-partisan groups that I can dig up if anyone is interested.  One was done by the National Academy of Sciences and was based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey of 80 different gun-control laws and some of its own independent study.  It concluded that &#8220;no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns,&#8221; could be found.  I should note that this panel was mostly made up of people on record as to supporting gun control measures.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9748</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that period has seen a rise in gun laws, but if the mere presence of guns or proliferation of guns caused violence, then there should be a corresponding increase.  Additionally, if you go back farther than 40 years, you will see relatively low crime rates when there were almost no gun laws.  I still stand by my assertion that there is little, if any data, that proves gun control works.

The only similarity I am suggesting is that both anti-gun and anti-game proponents use emotional arguments to make their point.  They both have no evidence to show a causal relationship between their legislation and what they say should happen (in regards to violence).  An analogy in a broad sense is a shared abstraction and both ideas certainly contain a shared pattern.  By themselves, they are very different.  One is a tool and the other is a form of entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that period has seen a rise in gun laws, but if the mere presence of guns or proliferation of guns caused violence, then there should be a corresponding increase.  Additionally, if you go back farther than 40 years, you will see relatively low crime rates when there were almost no gun laws.  I still stand by my assertion that there is little, if any data, that proves gun control works.</p>
<p>The only similarity I am suggesting is that both anti-gun and anti-game proponents use emotional arguments to make their point.  They both have no evidence to show a causal relationship between their legislation and what they say should happen (in regards to violence).  An analogy in a broad sense is a shared abstraction and both ideas certainly contain a shared pattern.  By themselves, they are very different.  One is a tool and the other is a form of entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: GamerDad</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9740</link>
		<dc:creator>GamerDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
Correct me if I&#039;m wrong.  During that 40 year span you&#039;re talking about where gun ownership doubled and violence and suicide decreased ... well... isn&#039;t that span also when we&#039;ve had some of the most draconian anti-gun laws on the books?

I also question the relevance and analogy here.  Beyond misleading studies, I don&#039;t see how the anti-gun and anti-video game crowds - or issues - are in any way similar.  

I&#039;m not anti-gun myself (I&#039;m not really pro either) but if you take the misleading stats and fear-mongering out you&#039;re still left with a peice of interactive entertainment versus a tool made for killing or harming.  A game versus a weapon.  That&#039;s not an analogy at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.  During that 40 year span you&#8217;re talking about where gun ownership doubled and violence and suicide decreased &#8230; well&#8230; isn&#8217;t that span also when we&#8217;ve had some of the most draconian anti-gun laws on the books?</p>
<p>I also question the relevance and analogy here.  Beyond misleading studies, I don&#8217;t see how the anti-gun and anti-video game crowds &#8211; or issues &#8211; are in any way similar.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not anti-gun myself (I&#8217;m not really pro either) but if you take the misleading stats and fear-mongering out you&#8217;re still left with a peice of interactive entertainment versus a tool made for killing or harming.  A game versus a weapon.  That&#8217;s not an analogy at all!</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9726</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You mean aside from that “scientific evidence”?&quot;

An unsubstantiated statement is not evidence.

In the US, gun ownership has steadily increased since 1970 (almost doubling).  The gun homicide and suicide rate has declined during that time period (FBI Uniform Crime Report, 2002)

Internationally speaking “There’s no clear relationship between more guns and higher levels of violence.”  (Keith Krause, Project Director, Small Arms Survey project, Graduate Institute of International Studies, Geneva, 2007).

“... a detailed study of the major surveys completed in the past 20 years or more provides no evidence of any relationship between the total number of legally held firearms in society and the rate of armed crime. Nor is there a relationship between the severity of controls imposed in various countries or the mass of bureaucracy involved with many control systems with the apparent ease of access to firearms by criminals and terrorists.”  (Colin Greenwood, “Minutes of Evidence”, Select Committee on Northern Ireland Affairs, January 29, 2003)

In 1968, the U.K. passed laws that reduced the number of licensed firearm owners, and thus reduced firearm availability. Their homicide rate has steady risen since then.  Ironically, firearm use in crimes has doubled in the decade after the U.K. banned handguns.  (&quot;A Century of Change: Trends in UK Statistics since 1900&quot;, Hicks, Joe; Allen, Grahame (SGS), Social and General Statistics Section, House of Commons).

Countries with the strictest gun-control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates.  (“Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis”, Jeffery A. Miron, Department of Economics, Boston University.)

I could go on and on.  Violent crime rates are more influenced by things like poverty, economic hardships, exposure to domestic abuse, and drug abuse.  Gun ownership and gun laws, according to the vast majority of studies, does not have a causal relatioship to a rise in crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You mean aside from that “scientific evidence”?&#8221;</p>
<p>An unsubstantiated statement is not evidence.</p>
<p>In the US, gun ownership has steadily increased since 1970 (almost doubling).  The gun homicide and suicide rate has declined during that time period (FBI Uniform Crime Report, 2002)</p>
<p>Internationally speaking “There’s no clear relationship between more guns and higher levels of violence.”  (Keith Krause, Project Director, Small Arms Survey project, Graduate Institute of International Studies, Geneva, 2007).</p>
<p>“&#8230; a detailed study of the major surveys completed in the past 20 years or more provides no evidence of any relationship between the total number of legally held firearms in society and the rate of armed crime. Nor is there a relationship between the severity of controls imposed in various countries or the mass of bureaucracy involved with many control systems with the apparent ease of access to firearms by criminals and terrorists.”  (Colin Greenwood, “Minutes of Evidence”, Select Committee on Northern Ireland Affairs, January 29, 2003)</p>
<p>In 1968, the U.K. passed laws that reduced the number of licensed firearm owners, and thus reduced firearm availability. Their homicide rate has steady risen since then.  Ironically, firearm use in crimes has doubled in the decade after the U.K. banned handguns.  (&#8220;A Century of Change: Trends in UK Statistics since 1900&#8243;, Hicks, Joe; Allen, Grahame (SGS), Social and General Statistics Section, House of Commons).</p>
<p>Countries with the strictest gun-control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates.  (“Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis”, Jeffery A. Miron, Department of Economics, Boston University.)</p>
<p>I could go on and on.  Violent crime rates are more influenced by things like poverty, economic hardships, exposure to domestic abuse, and drug abuse.  Gun ownership and gun laws, according to the vast majority of studies, does not have a causal relatioship to a rise in crime.</p>
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		<title>By: DormOnkey</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9721</link>
		<dc:creator>DormOnkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GamerDad &amp; Luigi &#039;08

(Luigi seems like the ultimate Veep to me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GamerDad &amp; Luigi &#8217;08</p>
<p>(Luigi seems like the ultimate Veep to me)</p>
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		<title>By: A viking</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9711</link>
		<dc:creator>A viking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GamerDad &#039;08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GamerDad &#8217;08.</p>
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		<title>By: DormOnkey</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/06/20/the-media-war/comment-page-1/#comment-9710</link>
		<dc:creator>DormOnkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man man man did I just step in it?  I mean &quot;NOT readily available&quot; but the lack of edit is going to make my argument silly before it even starts.  I&#039;m the worst flamer ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man man man did I just step in it?  I mean &#8220;NOT readily available&#8221; but the lack of edit is going to make my argument silly before it even starts.  I&#8217;m the worst flamer ever.</p>
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