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	<title>Comments on: Kansas Gov. (Do as I say, not as I&#8230;)</title>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/02/25/kansas-gov-do-as-i-say-not-as-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3677</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Board games are not nearly as realistic as video games.  

Did the legislation ever go anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Board games are not nearly as realistic as video games.  </p>
<p>Did the legislation ever go anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/02/25/kansas-gov-do-as-i-say-not-as-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3676</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smoke you inhale from an outdoor campfire is no where near as carcinogenic as what get when you smoke, but I probably should have picked a better example.  I started playing D&amp;D in the early 80&#039;s.  I remember all the hype.  I thik she probably sees some difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smoke you inhale from an outdoor campfire is no where near as carcinogenic as what get when you smoke, but I probably should have picked a better example.  I started playing D&amp;D in the early 80&#8242;s.  I remember all the hype.  I thik she probably sees some difference.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackIce, So-So Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/02/25/kansas-gov-do-as-i-say-not-as-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3664</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackIce, So-So Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;according to a Republican rival of hers&quot;

That makes the entire episode suspect. However, he has put the massive hypocracy in the spotlight, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;according to a Republican rival of hers&#8221;</p>
<p>That makes the entire episode suspect. However, he has put the massive hypocracy in the spotlight, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: GamerDad</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/02/25/kansas-gov-do-as-i-say-not-as-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>GamerDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue the only reason you&#039;ve never heard of boardgames having any influence on behavior is that culture warriors don&#039;t consider them popular enough to attack.  There aren&#039;t any modern studies about how theater affects people either - but there are a lot of them from the Victorian era.  

(And sitting by a campfire DOES cause cancer in the same way second hand smoking does. That&#039;s not a leap in logic - it&#039;s good logic.  It follows that the harsher smoke of a campfire would be harmful in the same or similar way that smoking is. Does anyone think inhaling campfire smoke is less harmful than second hand smoke? Or smoke through a cigarette filter?  And to really destroy you on this one... studies show that wood fire smoke causes cancer in lab rats.)  ;-)

So, I think it follows that if you believe violent video games and song lyrics cause aggression and should be banned or limited - then you believe that a board game (a combination of words and interactivity) would also be harmful and should be similarly limited.  Boardgames just never got popular enough to get attacked - D&amp;D did and videogames are really just the violent controversy du jour.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Parents today face new challenges that we didn&#039;t have when our children were younger. Video games and music lyrics promote violence... Moms and dads shouldn&#039;t be alone in their fight to raise children the right way. They shouldn&#039;t be alone in their fight to instill the values that lead to a life of meaning, rather than a life wasted. We can help parents by giving them access to tools... and limits on access to violent video games. In the coming days, I will make these tools available to parents across Kansas.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This what Dennis has got on her.  He says earlier that she&#039;s introduced legislation but this seems to be from a &quot;State of the State&quot; address - which makes me think Dennis was being hyperbolic again.  Like Obama, she doesn&#039;t say what the &quot;tools&quot; are.  We can take offense in the &quot;promoting violence&quot; - that&#039;s an offensive leap on her part and a mischaracterization.  If you think videogames and music &quot;promote violence&quot; I think it&#039;s logical to infer you&#039;d also think board games and books are just as irresponsible.

Unless your actual goal was to pander and frighten parents.  

She&#039;s in a tough spot, sure. And it&#039;s her son that&#039;s put her there. How inconvenient for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue the only reason you&#8217;ve never heard of boardgames having any influence on behavior is that culture warriors don&#8217;t consider them popular enough to attack.  There aren&#8217;t any modern studies about how theater affects people either &#8211; but there are a lot of them from the Victorian era.  </p>
<p>(And sitting by a campfire DOES cause cancer in the same way second hand smoking does. That&#8217;s not a leap in logic &#8211; it&#8217;s good logic.  It follows that the harsher smoke of a campfire would be harmful in the same or similar way that smoking is. Does anyone think inhaling campfire smoke is less harmful than second hand smoke? Or smoke through a cigarette filter?  And to really destroy you on this one&#8230; studies show that wood fire smoke causes cancer in lab rats.)  <img src='http://www.gamesanityblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, I think it follows that if you believe violent video games and song lyrics cause aggression and should be banned or limited &#8211; then you believe that a board game (a combination of words and interactivity) would also be harmful and should be similarly limited.  Boardgames just never got popular enough to get attacked &#8211; D&#038;D did and videogames are really just the violent controversy du jour.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Parents today face new challenges that we didn&#8217;t have when our children were younger. Video games and music lyrics promote violence&#8230; Moms and dads shouldn&#8217;t be alone in their fight to raise children the right way. They shouldn&#8217;t be alone in their fight to instill the values that lead to a life of meaning, rather than a life wasted. We can help parents by giving them access to tools&#8230; and limits on access to violent video games. In the coming days, I will make these tools available to parents across Kansas.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This what Dennis has got on her.  He says earlier that she&#8217;s introduced legislation but this seems to be from a &#8220;State of the State&#8221; address &#8211; which makes me think Dennis was being hyperbolic again.  Like Obama, she doesn&#8217;t say what the &#8220;tools&#8221; are.  We can take offense in the &#8220;promoting violence&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s an offensive leap on her part and a mischaracterization.  If you think videogames and music &#8220;promote violence&#8221; I think it&#8217;s logical to infer you&#8217;d also think board games and books are just as irresponsible.</p>
<p>Unless your actual goal was to pander and frighten parents.  </p>
<p>She&#8217;s in a tough spot, sure. And it&#8217;s her son that&#8217;s put her there. How inconvenient for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2008/02/25/kansas-gov-do-as-i-say-not-as-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3657</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never heard of boardgames having any influence on behavior.  Setting aside whether video games influence behavior, it is quite a logical leap from one to the other.  It would be like saying if smoking causes cancer, then so does sitting around a camp fire.

That being said, it seems to be hypocritical for her to take the position she is taking, by saying a prison rape game is creative and a video game is harmful.  

What kind of legislation did she support in 2006?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never heard of boardgames having any influence on behavior.  Setting aside whether video games influence behavior, it is quite a logical leap from one to the other.  It would be like saying if smoking causes cancer, then so does sitting around a camp fire.</p>
<p>That being said, it seems to be hypocritical for her to take the position she is taking, by saying a prison rape game is creative and a video game is harmful.  </p>
<p>What kind of legislation did she support in 2006?</p>
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