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	<title>Comments on: Manhunt 2 &#8211; Do They Think Parents Are Stupid?</title>
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		<title>By: BlackIce, NKVD Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackIce, NKVD Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve been lobbying hard&quot;

I can tell you&#039;re not familiar with the quick way of doing things. But then, it is Illegal.. *ahem*

Still, lobbying doesn&#039;t usually work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve been lobbying hard&#8221;</p>
<p>I can tell you&#8217;re not familiar with the quick way of doing things. But then, it is Illegal.. *ahem*</p>
<p>Still, lobbying doesn&#8217;t usually work.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackIce, NKVD Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackIce, NKVD Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then again, Britain, Germany and Australia ban games all the time&quot;

Hold on there, the last game the BBFC banned was Carmageddon. Well, before Manhunt 2.

Germany is far too tight, and Australia is a joke. They don&#039;t even have an 18+ Rating (that&#039;s roughly similar to an M for all the Yanks reading this. Yes, all three of you online).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then again, Britain, Germany and Australia ban games all the time&#8221;</p>
<p>Hold on there, the last game the BBFC banned was Carmageddon. Well, before Manhunt 2.</p>
<p>Germany is far too tight, and Australia is a joke. They don&#8217;t even have an 18+ Rating (that&#8217;s roughly similar to an M for all the Yanks reading this. Yes, all three of you online).</p>
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		<title>By: BlackIce, NKVD Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackIce, NKVD Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t usually follow links, unless it&#039;s JT trolling on about murders by videogamers, but I thought i&#039;d kill some time.

However, this is more than killing time. It&#039;s reading the thoughts of a well informed man, who isn&#039;t up in arms about Manhunt. Now that is a paradox in it&#039;s own right.

But then, it&#039;s GamerDad i&#039;m talking about. The best man the Industry has to speak out against these bans and ratings and all the other shit we get thrown at us by 90-year olds who think we&#039;re all murderers. 

Keep on truckin&#039;, &#039;cause it was a pleasure to read this. Almost as good as my day off today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually follow links, unless it&#8217;s JT trolling on about murders by videogamers, but I thought i&#8217;d kill some time.</p>
<p>However, this is more than killing time. It&#8217;s reading the thoughts of a well informed man, who isn&#8217;t up in arms about Manhunt. Now that is a paradox in it&#8217;s own right.</p>
<p>But then, it&#8217;s GamerDad i&#8217;m talking about. The best man the Industry has to speak out against these bans and ratings and all the other shit we get thrown at us by 90-year olds who think we&#8217;re all murderers. </p>
<p>Keep on truckin&#8217;, &#8217;cause it was a pleasure to read this. Almost as good as my day off today.</p>
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		<title>By: Silphion</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Silphion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way, it does.  I just went through the CBS website for placing comments about their news shots.  This one in particular struck me as, well &quot;Yikes&quot;, in a word.  It goes along exactly with what you state.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/10/30/couricandco/entry3432898.shtml#ccmm

In the first page, along the way, you will see a man named &quot;Peter&quot; who applauds Britain for the wholesale banning of games, and calls for the U.S. government to do the same.  It&#039;s like they do not even hear the opinions or reasonings of the people who ARE gamers, aged anywhere from 20 to 35 years old.  That demographic doesn&#039;t seem to exist to them--and similarly, their comments don&#039;t exist as well.

It&#039;s disconcerting.  But then I hear about a Guam Senator (link below) who kicks back to a game of WoW, and I feel my faith in humanity rise again.  You&#039;re right--at this moment, the older generation of law-makers are making laws that&#039;s most convenient for them--they don&#039;t even know what games really are like today.  I always thought people who made that comment were exaggerating or kidding.  Now I&#039;m making it (another &quot;Yikes&quot; moment).

http://www.thegamergene.com/pc/guam-senator-is-also-a-level-70-dwarf-priest-in-wow/

Maybe five years down the road, things will get better.  Right now, it seems like the gaming industry is facing some of the harshest criticism since the days of Mortal Kombat&#039;s green blood, which spawned the ESRB in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way, it does.  I just went through the CBS website for placing comments about their news shots.  This one in particular struck me as, well &#8220;Yikes&#8221;, in a word.  It goes along exactly with what you state.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/10/30/couricandco/entry3432898.shtml#ccmm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/10/30/couricandco/entry3432898.shtml#ccmm</a></p>
<p>In the first page, along the way, you will see a man named &#8220;Peter&#8221; who applauds Britain for the wholesale banning of games, and calls for the U.S. government to do the same.  It&#8217;s like they do not even hear the opinions or reasonings of the people who ARE gamers, aged anywhere from 20 to 35 years old.  That demographic doesn&#8217;t seem to exist to them&#8211;and similarly, their comments don&#8217;t exist as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disconcerting.  But then I hear about a Guam Senator (link below) who kicks back to a game of WoW, and I feel my faith in humanity rise again.  You&#8217;re right&#8211;at this moment, the older generation of law-makers are making laws that&#8217;s most convenient for them&#8211;they don&#8217;t even know what games really are like today.  I always thought people who made that comment were exaggerating or kidding.  Now I&#8217;m making it (another &#8220;Yikes&#8221; moment).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thegamergene.com/pc/guam-senator-is-also-a-level-70-dwarf-priest-in-wow/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thegamergene.com/pc/guam-senator-is-also-a-level-70-dwarf-priest-in-wow/</a></p>
<p>Maybe five years down the road, things will get better.  Right now, it seems like the gaming industry is facing some of the harshest criticism since the days of Mortal Kombat&#8217;s green blood, which spawned the ESRB in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: GamerDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>GamerDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve spoken to a lot of people at the ESRB, ESA, and ECA and without naming names I&#039;ve been told, basically, that the politicians know the legislation is unconstitutional - they do it to get votes from the older demographic who has no stake - or no real knowledge/experience with - video games.

I&#039;ve yet to meet a moderate or &quot;reasonable&quot; anti-video game person or parent.  Generally the type that&#039;s anti-games is the type who, whether far left or far right, wants to ban a lot of other things too.  Some people are VERY fearful of violence, even virtual violence, and they want the government to intercede against what they see as a real danger and social ill.  These people WANT studies to come out that show games cause violence.  It&#039;s almost like they WANT games to be dangerous, so they can be eradicated.  Does that make sense?  Not to me.  But then again I&#039;ve noticed that most people don&#039;t get involved unless they have a stake.  Very few politicians are gamers, so attacking this industry is - at this time in history - a &quot;win&quot; even if they lose.

It&#039;s very frustrating because I&#039;m idealistic enough to be surprised whenever I meet anyone who doesn&#039;t really understand the First Amendment and what it&#039;s for.

Then again, Britain, Germany and Australia ban games all the time.  So there are entire countries who fail to see the danger of regulation of thought or ideas - even vile thought or ideas. 
Does that answer your question Silphion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spoken to a lot of people at the ESRB, ESA, and ECA and without naming names I&#8217;ve been told, basically, that the politicians know the legislation is unconstitutional &#8211; they do it to get votes from the older demographic who has no stake &#8211; or no real knowledge/experience with &#8211; video games.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve yet to meet a moderate or &#8220;reasonable&#8221; anti-video game person or parent.  Generally the type that&#8217;s anti-games is the type who, whether far left or far right, wants to ban a lot of other things too.  Some people are VERY fearful of violence, even virtual violence, and they want the government to intercede against what they see as a real danger and social ill.  These people WANT studies to come out that show games cause violence.  It&#8217;s almost like they WANT games to be dangerous, so they can be eradicated.  Does that make sense?  Not to me.  But then again I&#8217;ve noticed that most people don&#8217;t get involved unless they have a stake.  Very few politicians are gamers, so attacking this industry is &#8211; at this time in history &#8211; a &#8220;win&#8221; even if they lose.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very frustrating because I&#8217;m idealistic enough to be surprised whenever I meet anyone who doesn&#8217;t really understand the First Amendment and what it&#8217;s for.</p>
<p>Then again, Britain, Germany and Australia ban games all the time.  So there are entire countries who fail to see the danger of regulation of thought or ideas &#8211; even vile thought or ideas.<br />
Does that answer your question Silphion?</p>
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		<title>By: Silphion</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Silphion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee, Sorry that I was not more clear.  I had meant to say &quot;What are the reactions of parents to the opinions of adult gamers/developers?&quot;  My above post seems to have rambled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee, Sorry that I was not more clear.  I had meant to say &#8220;What are the reactions of parents to the opinions of adult gamers/developers?&#8221;  My above post seems to have rambled.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Silphion.  I tend to place the crosshairs of my argument on 18 year olds - our politicians will gladly send hundreds of thousands to die all over the world for no good reason, yet get outraged and feel teh need to protect these same kids from seeing nipples or pubies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Silphion.  I tend to place the crosshairs of my argument on 18 year olds &#8211; our politicians will gladly send hundreds of thousands to die all over the world for no good reason, yet get outraged and feel teh need to protect these same kids from seeing nipples or pubies.</p>
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		<title>By: Silphion</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Silphion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GamerDad:  I may not be a parent--but I am an adult and I agree with your views over this (sometimes tiring) controversy of video games.  That being said, there is one thing I&#039;m wondering about:  Do parents [gamers and non-gamers] know about the opinions and concerns about adult gamers and game-developers?  Many of us say &quot;Yes, we agree, violent games like Manhunt are not for children!&quot;  But at the same time, we look at the verbage of many public officials, and cry out &quot;Your legislation and way of wording things is preventing adults the choice of buying and playing adult games!&quot;

I apologize that I really can&#039;t make that more clear.  But it does go back to the whole bit about letting Parents regulate the games they buy for kids and teens, rather than try to legislate and regulate retailers or (worse) developers.  Have you ever posed this point to parents?  If so, what was their reaction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GamerDad:  I may not be a parent&#8211;but I am an adult and I agree with your views over this (sometimes tiring) controversy of video games.  That being said, there is one thing I&#8217;m wondering about:  Do parents [gamers and non-gamers] know about the opinions and concerns about adult gamers and game-developers?  Many of us say &#8220;Yes, we agree, violent games like Manhunt are not for children!&#8221;  But at the same time, we look at the verbage of many public officials, and cry out &#8220;Your legislation and way of wording things is preventing adults the choice of buying and playing adult games!&#8221;</p>
<p>I apologize that I really can&#8217;t make that more clear.  But it does go back to the whole bit about letting Parents regulate the games they buy for kids and teens, rather than try to legislate and regulate retailers or (worse) developers.  Have you ever posed this point to parents?  If so, what was their reaction?</p>
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		<title>By: GamerDad</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-554</link>
		<dc:creator>GamerDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  I mean that death in videogames is far less realistic than it is in movies, and therefore far less visceral.  I&#039;m still not endorsing it for children, of course, but that&#039;s a decision parents should make based on solid information rather than social agenda or &quot;culture wars.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  I mean that death in videogames is far less realistic than it is in movies, and therefore far less visceral.  I&#8217;m still not endorsing it for children, of course, but that&#8217;s a decision parents should make based on solid information rather than social agenda or &#8220;culture wars.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.gamesanityblog.com/2007/10/29/manhunt-2-are-parents-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;in videogames you almost never (I can’t think of an example) see/hear the victim cry, beg for mercy, or dies in a gruesome and horrible way.&quot;

The only example I can think of is Soldier of Fortune II, where your hear people gurgling  blood, screaming in agony, and so on ... but again it isn&#039;t torturous, it is just the &#039;death cry&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in videogames you almost never (I can’t think of an example) see/hear the victim cry, beg for mercy, or dies in a gruesome and horrible way.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only example I can think of is Soldier of Fortune II, where your hear people gurgling  blood, screaming in agony, and so on &#8230; but again it isn&#8217;t torturous, it is just the &#8216;death cry&#8217;.</p>
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